(I don't think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.) Its funny how a pimp like VLAD TEPES is accepted and sometimes glorified for his rhetoric of cut and paste (fake news) values but a person who simply chooses a different way of carrying is villified and demonized by those who scream for personal freedom. I assume the manual safety was also engaged, but such a strap on the holster sounds pretty good, as well! My point is that I see no benefit in limiting my defensive options. link to What is a Pistol Caliber Carbine. lol 15 in the clip one in the pipe. Options are good. The gun itself Cannot be rendered safe without the chamber being empty. As someone from MS you gotta tell me where this full auto shoot was. Just bookmark the page you commented on, and then check back once in a while. Modern revolvers with some sort of disconnect can be carried full up. The general answer is most certainly yes however there are a few considerations. For that matter, I dont take seriously anyone who carries a revolver for self-defense. Do it right; prepare the firearm for immediate use and take the neccessary precautions given that state of readiness. You might like it. If you are a dumb person who cannot immediately see why it is dumb, go to Youtube and watch dumb people like you dying in a hail of bullets while they struggle with the slides on their unchambered guns. Are Glocks safe to carry chambered? - Quora Said every one of the people who later came to suffer from glock leg. The trick is training is to do the right thing; doing the wrong thing is still training, just training the do the wrong thing. But, some want only one item to cover every base. Various firearms but could go to dagger, spear, sword and buckler, longsword, or smallsword if for some reason one of those seemed like a good idea. In the past, I've heard people say they aren't comfortable carrying a loaded firearm on them or want to just scare people away. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s Few indeed even care about SA revolvers anymore, or even know they exist, or care about the firing mechanism. The pistol was designed to be carried with a round in the chamber with the safety on or off as your choice. Dry fire and have a friend rush you with a fake knife. In the case of a fast draw in a conflict, you dont have time to check, but you still have time to keep your finger out of the trigger guard. After all, this aint Dodge City and you aint Bill Hickok. We keep our mouths shut, myob, and avoid praising glocks. Glock likewise provides a slimline design, which integrates features from the Gen 3 and Gen 5 Glock guns. Running this way I am even more vigilant about how I handle the gun. The best line of all time is Dirty Harrys. Safe wise, I like the Homak #584 4 digit/code safe. There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. The 43 chambered for the 9x19 cartridge, along with its immediate predecessor the .380 caliber Model 42, were not the . Wait a second, so youre telling me that I shouldnt keep my home defense gun in condition 3 but instead have it in condition 1 and put it in a lock box? Just the same as the guy thumbing the safety off, he will beat me. Come on, Gov, you know better than that. Two is one, one is none. Of course all of those Glock NDs were due to human error. You shoud not count on having both hands available while being attacked. Off the top of my head, I dont remember actually seeing that, but in The Shootist, John Wayne does mention it. As I commented after the previous article, carry so that all you have to do is draw and pull the trigger. No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. Mine, of course, is in the latter, and it's held up well to a lot of shooting. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. I appendix carry my 42 chambered, the holster covers the trigger so I feel safe carrying this way, I been carrying this way for a while without issue. The Glock series of semi-automatic pistols features Glock's Safe Action System and a loaded chamber indicator.The Safe Action System comprises three passive safeties. Best Glocks: Across Calibers & Sizes [Ultimate Guide] It is completely safe if you take the proper precautions. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. The same as SJWs or those who suffer from TDS. Israeli Carry? - Creedmoor Training Academy, LLC. Bear in mind that all Glock pistols are striker fired and are have no manual safeties. As a top performer in reliability and safety tests, it quickly entered into the Austrian military and police service. DA/SA make the most sense to me. Apply the 21 foot rule. It is a compact pistol that is chambered in 9mm and is designed for concealed carry. I can cycle the bolt almost as fast as I can take the safety off, even when I stepped on a black bear who was sleeping under a downed tree. I have no problem with a 1911 locked and loaded, there has been one in my car since I bought it in 2010. I used one of those saf-t blocks that can be pushed out of the trigger real easy. So were really talking only about safe carry and capacity, as the first shot fired will be from the NEXT chamber. The Glock if it came under the Governments Consumer Safety Council would never have been allowed on the market. Clearly not enough to train for scenarios where chambering a round can be life or death. I have four. Therefore, its unsafe(ish) to carry or store with one in the chamber. If waking up to a noise or shadow, I want the piece in my hand as simply and easily as possible, meaning it lays in the headboard. There is no way to put a round in the chamber without leaving the striker cocked, and there is no safety. Some militaries wanted to normalize carrying a pistol or rifle with a loaded chamber for obvious reasons, but they ran into some of these same issues on old guns. Seattle is like a miniature version from a driving perspective. Stop all AR-15 and AR-10 calibers with this RTS Tactical level 3+ Armor Kit. Why, I havent the slightest idea. Momentum and all. If I have to carry a compact, its a DA only with no safety or one with the safety off. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. In fact, when applying for a gun permit in Israel, self-defense is not an acceptable reason to get a gun. Cocked & Locked: The Best Way to Carry a 1911 Loaded, cocked, safety off 1911 vs a loaded cocked Glock 21 .45 Farago sells out, the site gets taken over by snowflakes who spend every minute lining up sponsored content, and the content section gets taken over by trolls and vlads. As in mentally deranged. A S&W Model 329. And make sure when you holster or unholster that the holster is clear of obstructions. You can get a lockbox for $50 or less from Amazon or from most hardware stores. Training happens every time we do something, no matter if its shooting, driving, or eating. The M&P Shield is a popular and commonplace pistol for concealed carry. Bet you still get stabbed. THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY AND ONLY ONE WAY TO CARRY A GLOCK SAFELY AND THAT IS WITH AN EMPTY CHAMBER PERIOD AND THERE CAN BE ZERO ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT IF YOU ARE STILL IN CONTROL OF YOUR MENTAL FACULTIES AND NOT LIVING IN A NARCISSISTIC FANTASY WORLD OF GLOCK UTOPIA. A 1911 or single-action pistol in Condition 1 is comparable to a striker-fired, safe-action pistol, like a Glock, which is always in a semi-cocked condition when a round is in the chamber anyway. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? You would probably be more likely to survive in a Banzai charge. Thats OK with me. At Incognito Concealment, we're confident we have the right holster for you. Especially in a stressful situation. Run what you brung. I may not have the time to chamber a round if a BG is close enough. Every day. Cruiser ready generally refers to a gun that has a loaded magazine but an empty chamber. Picture if I was to just strike a primer laying on a hard surface, with a hand held hammer, manually. Have you ever negligently ran a red light? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. But that would mean giving up my beloved 1911! I thing Mossad guys are well trained, just saying. My Taurus Millenium G2, basically a glock with a safety, same thing, actions are needed to make it fire. Obviously carrying concealed greatly reduces the odds of your gun being taken, but that doesnt mean that precautions arent in order. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. It still works now, so long as the comment page is more than three years old. Victoria: I did find a workaround though. Um, Smith & Wesson doesnt use a transfer bar, they use a hammer block. Hmaag [CC BY-SA 3.0], via Wikimedia CommonsTodays revolvers have a flat hammer. I only know my own lifes experiences, fwiw, too many LEOs cant hit chit no matter what the tool, and Im an honorary. Another difference is that the Equalizer is only available chambered for the 9mm Luger, where the Shield EZ can be had in .380 Auto, 9mm Luger and .30 Super Carry. They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. The reason was that there wasnt anything between the hammer and either the nipple or the primer of the cartridge. Mr. Hoober, the only quibble I have with this article is the assumption that people only have a (as in singular) home defense gun. Recently retired the PPK in favor of a Sig P365. Im so glad to have seen the one person who never makes a mistake! Glocks have a blade in the trigger that is very light so that if the pistol is dropped, the inertia of the fall will not pull the trigger ( as the pistol is partially cocked). They ended up sticking to their story and making a big political deal out of it. Why would you do that more in a Glock than in *any other firearm*? It takes a dedicated squeeze of the finger. To sum up: there were a few objections to my original post that, on their face, had some truth to them. It made me feel extremely uncomfortable. A 2A focused forum that patronizes a troll like VLAD is as questionable as the NRA in its current form. oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. But now I get 18! I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. Id have to go with the DA revolver. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon. Glock and carrying with chambered round | Page 2 | SIG Talk The Best Glocks | American Firearms Third, the reason that actual experts (I would say I am knowledgeable to a point, but an expert I am not) recommend NOT carrying in Condition Three is for the reason that it takes a lot of training and repetition to get truly proficient and most people with a lot of training and proficiency dont carry their pistol unloaded. Apparently the last time it worked. silly? Am I being silly? Since its a bookmark and not a save, it will go there and update to the latest info. A few weeks went by & I realized I was safe. Please note, comments must be approved before they are published. There are more and complicated details about the Israeli attitude (prohibition) of self-defense, but the point is that the Israeli system may work for the IDF, but not for you. I have been a revolver guy my whole life, and just switched to a Glock 19 after getting two days of excellent training and realizing I could shoot the Glock better (to say nothing of more copiously) than my old Detective Special. the safety doesnt enter into it. Good username though. I have pocket carried for years, mostly using a clip such as a clip draw on my SIG 938, hammer down, safety on, round chambered. I think it's more about . I got rid of that one, I didnt really need it, but now, sigh, I wish I had it back. You should always carry with a round chambered. CCW - Is it Better To Carry With a Round Chambered or Not? Well saving room for some ice cream after dinner is a bit higher on my list than any damn LDL or HDL mumbo jumbo. Someone with little firearms experience who feels over confident in his/her carry technique is more likely to find him/herself in trouble. People are going to make mistakes but when you design a tool as unsafe as the Glock its not a maybe they will have an accidental discharge its a fking fact that sooner or later they will. All except for that one guy above who thinks muscle memory means hell never make a mistake, ever. I have a Sig DA/SA, fully loaded no problem. Of course theres a difference between driving and shooting. Alright so you said all the pros, not all are valid. It has good stopping power and it only slightly has more recoil . And the latter is where a Glock is dangerous as is *any* other firearm. This should convince you that your glock is safe to carry chamber loaded and you won't have to worry about blowing your 'nads off. 7 Great Holsters for Glocks :: Guns.com But in any case, the inertia must lie directly in line with the round, and then the round must stop suddenly, like when the muzzle hits the ground. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Does anyone ride the hammer down on their gun with a LIVE ROUND in the chamber? This is why. . Again, though, training is the answer. But in my house, in the middle of the night, what do I care about 50 yard accuracy or the ability to knock over a steel plate or knock a bowling pin off a table? Gunfights can happen that fast. If you are so uncomfortable with a Glock as a fully loaded and chambered self defense gun, why do you own one? The Glock handgun is the preferred handgun of police worldwide. There is one thing very different between handling a car and handling a weapon a 4000 pound vehicle traveling at 62mph carries over half a million foot pound of energy vs ~350ft/lbs out of your little 9mm or .45 pea shooter. My three-year-old knows that for her bb gun. Glock dominates the handgun market in both the United States and around the globe. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? I dont condemn those who carry a striker with one in the chamber. I am lacking a rapier and main gauche though so maybe not ready for the six fingered man. I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. And my Glock 17. I hope to later, but I just moved to a state that allows it, and our first child just turned one. MOLON LABE. So far there have been 14 production experiences.Has a professional production and R & D team, and . I also like the guy getting thrown across the ally when he gets hit with both barrels of the shotgun through those 3/4 boards, but even better is when the same happens from a .45 Colt round. 4) In such a rush and excitement even in a holster such as the case in Florida the police officer shot himself and the wall in a school and was clearly not in fear or stressed, so in all counts safety and training cause in the heat of the moment you may grab fast and shoot yourself. People who dont carry with a round in the chamber have no training. Notice if the trigger is ever depressed. Now youve introduced a firearm where one might not otherwise have been involved, not to mention triggering the bad guys own sense of self preservation. Been reading the thread here on this topic, since we all have an O I quite agree with your spot on comment Sir. in the 20th and 21st centuries, empty chamber is just retarded. The are a couple videos out there showing issues with holsters (kydex included) where bending or twisting caused a discharge. Not thinking human beings. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. So, us non-glockentines keep a low pro on discussing polymers and plastics, but if I had to go to war tomorrow, you can it would be an all steel weapon. Thats when I started looking for a better way. The gunfight at the end was pretty good otherwise, but at one point Costner gets 16 shots out of his Colt SAA without reloading. Not the first time I have seen you feed the gun grabbers agenda either. Brain farts are a universal malady that effects 100% of all humans and the Glock and its clones are probably the least idiot proof handgun ever invented. Balancing Safety & Readiness: Carrying "Cocked and Locked?" I made a folder called TTAG comments, and put all pages Ive commented on in there. carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber, Standard Manufacturings New S333 Revolver Fires Two .22 WMR Rounds at a Time, District of Columbia AG Subpoenas NRA Foundation Financial Records, Gov. When something becomes familiar, inattention and negligence become more likely. We can talk about the merits of being able to shoot effectivly one handed. No thanks. I dont expect hardware (or software) to compensate for a persons stupidity, as opposed to the opinion of many other people who think it should.

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